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by Dr. Jeremy Whitlock

www.nuclearfaq.ca

Response from Max Allen, Producer, CBC Radio's "IDEAS":


Jeremy Whitlock, PhD
Atomic Energy of Canada, Ltd.
Chalk River, Ontario K01 110

Dear Jeremy Whitlock:

Your complaint about the IDEAS series "Counting the Costs", as I understand it, has three components. The first is that the programs were special-interest propaganda, self-serving, narrow-minded, and that I as producer had ulterior motives. The second is that Norm Rubin of Energy Probe is biased (and by implication, either misleading in his remarks and/or incompetent) and that Energy Probe itself is not a national energy think tank. The third involves the connection between the CANDU reactor, Canada's nuclear program, and bomb production.

Let me take the third issue first, since it is a matter of fact. I refer you to your own website, question 31 ("Did India use a CANDU reactor in the 1970's to make an atomic bomb?") and question 32 ("How easily can an atomic bomb be made with spent CANDU fuel?") of The Canadian Nuclear FAQ, together with an excerpt under the title "Making a Bomb Using Plutonium from a Power Reactor", part of the document "Management and Disposition of Excess Weapons Plutonium" by the Committee on International Security and Arms Control of the (U.S.) National Academy of Sciences, which is at www.ccnr.org/reactor_plute.html; and the extensive discussion of the issue in Carole Giangrande's "The Nuclear North" (Toronto: Anasi Press, 1983).

Although you write "In Episode three (98/01/08), for instance, the show asserts with impunity that CANDU reactors, having corporate links to a war-time bomb-producing reactor design, is capable of supporting a national nuclear weapons programme", the program did not use those words, though I understand what you mean. (These days either theft or a gas centrifuge plant would be preferable, but it's hard to imagine a Canadian federal program that would underwrite the export of the latter, assuming we could make one.)

You continue "Since the links are historical and not technical, this assertion is patently false." Indeed the links are historical and technical; I think you mean to imply that the CANDU does not produce bomb-capable material. But it does. What the Argentinian military intended to do with its CANDU waste is not a decided issue, as far as I know, but the available evidence is not comforting. Nor is it clear what, in the future, the Koreans will do with, or how they will subsequently control, CANDU technology' once they are independent of AECL support.

As for Canada's past participation in bomb production: For at least twenty years (1955-1976) there was a contractual connection between Canada's nuclear program and nuclear weapons. From a letter dated 4 March 1996 from Thomas Seitz, deputy assistant secretary for military application and stockpile management defense programs of the U.S. Department of Energy: "The majority of the plutonium received from Canada came from the Chalk River Facility. Approximately 252 kilograms of plutonium in spent reactor fuel was sent to the Savannah River Site where it was processed and blended with other materials in the main production streams for the United States nuclear weapons program." Mr. Seitz's letter doesn't say where the rest of the Canadian plutonium came from.

Your second point: I can assure you that Energy Probe is precisely a national energy think tank, and I don't know any words that describe it better. "Think tanks" do research and draw conclusions. Of course nuclear issues are a major focus (about 60% of Ontario electricity is generated by nuclear reactors). Energy Probe's work in energy issues of all kinds is extensive; especially significant is work on the regulation of natural gas supplies and transmission. For a historical list of activities and publications' see http://www.nextcity.com/EnergyProbe/eppub.htm

Also from the Energy Probe website is this:

"History of Energy Probe's Position and Interest in Electricity Reform - Energy Probe is part of the Energy Probe Research Foundation, an independent' federally registered charity. Energy Probe Research Foundation has approximately 48,000 supporters across Canada. ... Energy Probe promotes conservation, democratic policy processes, and informed debate on resource use. In addition to our ongoing campaign for structural reform of Ontario's electricity system, we are also campaigning for tougher nuclear and environmental regulation, an early and orderly phaseout of nuclear power in Canada, the enhancement of property rights as a means of protecting the environment, utility reform in other provinces with monopoly power systems, and further progress in natural gas competition. ...

"Energy Probe has an unparalleled track record in assessing the problems in the Ontario power system and proposing constructive solutions to these problems. Unfortunately for at! of us, Ontario Hydro and the government too frequently rejected Energy Probe's sound advice. For example, in 1976, Energy Probe announced that nuclear power was uneconomic, a position that was dismissed in a chorus of derision from government and corporate circles until recently. In February 1981, Energy Probe's Norman Rubin, now our Director of Nuclear Research, wrote to Ontario Hydro's directors urging the utility to withdraw from megaproject expansion, especially the hugely uneconomical Darlington nuclear station, in favour of more flexible planning:
'Fortunately, flexibility is attainable - in fact, much more attainable than even Hydro directors may realize. It is, though, obviously incompatible with a large investment in nuclear plant construction.' ...
"... Ontario Hydro's own polling shows that the public believes Energy Probe to be a more reliable source of information than either Ontario Hydro or the Minister of Energy. "

Is Norm Rubin a credible source on nuclear power issues? (I have read your essay "The Credibility Issue" at www.nuclearfaq.ca/credibility.htm) According to our CBC reference library files, he and Tom Adams of Energy Probe are the two people most interviewed and quoted by journalists on these issues. I'm told that in the 10 days following Ontario Hydro's release of the Andognini report, they received over 400 requests for interviews and comments. It seems to me that Rubin's work over the years speaks for itself.

Your first point is that the programs I produced for IDEAS were narrow-minded, self-serving, etc. The programs produced in 1986, before I joined the Energy Probe board, concentrated on the future - especially the financial future - of nuclear power. That future is, somewhat, here. The costs of the accelerated degradation of reactor systems, both physical and managerial, is now (somewhat) known. You and I have both read Ontario Hydro's "Report to Management". I quoted from it on-air, using the exact words of the people who oversee almost all of Canada's reactors. You quote one line from the report in your letters to the editor, and in your FAQ question 33. What you don't say is that the operation of Hydro's reactors at Bruce, Darlington and Pickering is in all cases either "minimally acceptable" or "below standard". We both hope that can be improved (I live near them). It seems as true today as it was in 1992 that "the nuclear power industry is being squeezed out of the global energy marketplace" [www.greenpeace.org/home/gopher/campaigns/nukepower/1992/nucind. txt].

Will this situation change? I don't know. Will a technical solution to the waste disposal security problem be found? I don't know. The programs reported the situation as it exists.

In your letter to the CBC Ombudsman, you said that Norm Rubin's appearance in the series was "essentially a case of Canada's most vocal anti-nuclear group interviewing itself on national public radio. Many Canadians do not appreciate this de-facto sponsorship of special-interest propaganda with their money." This is a CBC policy issue, and the CBC's response will come to you separately.

I have cited your on-line Canadian Nuclear FAQ in the bibliography we send to people who ask for more information.

Max Allen
Producer, IDEAS
9 February 1998

cc/CBC:
David Bazay
Esther Enkin
Bernie Lucht

 

 

January 1998 bibliography for the IDEAS
series "Counting the Costs"

On line

The 1997 Ontario Hydro "Report to
Management"
www.hydro.on.ca/OHWebSite/2f42.htm

The Canadian Nuclear FAQ, by AECL
physicist Jeremy Whitlock
www.ncf.carleton.ca/~cz725

Energy Probe Research Foundation
www.nextcity.com/EnergyProbe

CANDU sales outside Canada (article
from The Multinational Monitor)
www.essential.org/monitor/hyper/
mm0995.06.html

Newspaper articles

Nuclear reactors closing world-wide (by
Michael Hanlon). The Toronto Star,
16 Aug 97, p.A4.

Hydro's woes may boost plans for utility
break-up (by William Walker). The
Toronto Star,
16 Aug 97, p.A1-A4.

Hydro unplugged: nuclear industry losing
its glory (by Brian McAndrew). The
Toronto Star, 16 Aug 97.

Canadians export a type of reactor they
closed down (by Anthony DePalma). The
New York Times, 3 Dec 97, pp.Al,Al0.

Books

Charles Perron. Normal accidents: Living with high risk technologies. New York: Basic Books, 1985.

Thomas Wellock. Critical Masses: Opposition to Nuclear Power in California, 1958-1978. Madison: University of Wisconsin Press, 1998.

Carole Giangrande. The Nuclear North: The people, the regions, and the arms race. Toronto: Anasi, 1983.

Trvin Bupp and Jean-Claude Derian: The Failed Promise of Nuclear Power. New York: Basic Books, 1981.

Mike Gray and Ira Rosen. The Warning: Accident at Three Mile Island. Chicago: Contemporary Books, 1982.

Daniel Ford. Three Mile Island: Three minutes to meltdown. New York: Penguin Books, 1982.

Robert Del Tredici. The People of Three Mile Island. San Francisco: Sierra Club Books, 1980.

Robert Leppzer. Voices from Three Mile Island. Trumansburg, N.Y.: The Crossing Press, 1980.

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